Is There Any Natural Cure That Could Replace Tamiflu?

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  1. The answer to this, even if you have any doubt, is clear:
    Tamiflu: If you have a life threatening influenza and you want to survive, this is currently your best hope. Proven in independent trials that have been reviewed by the most intelligent people on the planet.
    At worse: You have some unpleasant side effects.
    At best: You’ll survive the illness.
    Garlic/plant extracts. With absolutely no indication that this could possibly have any effect on viruses (note the difference between viruses and bacteria, something poorly educated scamsters don’t know!), there is nothing to recommend these apart from the individuals that peddle these pills.
    At best: You’ll receive some placebo effect, but that’s not much good in a life threatening situation.
    At worse: You’ll die.

  2. Tamiflu is not a cure. It effective in treating the symptoms. Like other strains of flu that changes every year a vaccine needs to be developed. That will take several months to create. Otherwise it will have to run it’s course.
    Don’t fall for the magical thinking homeopathic remedies.

  3. Lets dispel some myths:
    Natural does not = safe.
    Unless there have been full clinical trials, independent, blinded, controlled, (the basis of all medical science) you can’t assert efficacy, side effects or interaction with other medications. Medical science will often isolate active ingredients from “natural” sources, test these, even synthesise them to produce a quality, pure, consistent product with known efficacy and safety.
    You cannot “boost the immune system”! That is marketing spiel only and has no basis in medical science. The immune system is a complex series of interactions, to simply “boost” it would be disastrous. 5 questions for immune system boost proponents, feel free to answer:
    1) What part of the immune system is being “boosted”? The humoral immune system, the cellular immune system, the innate immune system, the adaptive immune system?
    2) What is the mechanism of this “boost”?
    3) Is the “boost” a general increase in immune activity, or are certain targets of the immune response “boosted” more than others?
    4) How is the “boost” regulated?
    5) What keeps the “boost” from activating parts of the immune system that are harmful to the host (autoimmunity or hypersensitivity)?
    Homeopathic vaccines are nothing short of criminal, where I live the Australian Skeptics are coming down very hard on those who promote this scam.
    Science is working hard on the swine virus, they have now their first genetic analysis. This is the hard science required to beat such viruses:…
    Things are little more complicated than simply drinking apple juice as suggested by someone above.
    Another article at New Scientist:
    “Quack remedies spread by virtue of being useless”…
    And regarding Tamiflu:
    “The Mexican swine flu resists older antiviral drugs like rimantadine. It is still susceptible to the Tamiflu and Relenza in national stockpiles – such as they are – but virologists were shocked this past flu season when ordinary human H1N1 spontaneously developed near-total resistance to Tamiflu. Swine H1N1 could well do the same, particularly if it starts swapping genes with the human virus.
    Our best hope might lie in monoclonal antibodies, which could both prevent infection and help fight it. These immune proteins can be engineered to recognise a specific virus, and then churned out in production plants. Several research groups have made monoclonal antibodies to H5N1 bird flu from the antibodies of survivors, and these have protected mice against H5N1. The same trick should work for swine flu – and once developed, large amounts could be produced in a matter of weeks. Several companies are already mass-producing flu monoclonals for ordinary H5N1, and could be switched to swine flu.”…
    You can take all the vitamin C or Echinacea you like, you might end up with kidney stones or something, but you will not prevent or cure a flu virus in this way.
    So no, there is not a natural cure that has been properly shown to be safe and effective, to replace tamiflu, which has been extensively researched and side effects well known, with thanks to medical science.
    Minerva, I can’t see where allicin is an antiviral. Antibacterial, antifungal yes, but not antiviral. Would you mind providing a reference? Also from what I read, it must be processed to maintain stability – so not natural. Does that sound true? This is a genuine interest. Thanks.

  4. Swine Flu is a life threatening virus. Do NOT trust unproven natural remedies to vaccinate against or cure it.
    Minerva –
    What on earth are you ranting about?
    None of the studies you provide are on Swine Flu or even mention Swine Flu! Swine Flu is a sub-strain of the H1N1 subtype of Influenza virus A. It is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to other flu viruses.
    If all flu strains were the same we’d all be in no danger because we have vaccinations against some Flu strains. We don’t yet have a vaccination against this one.
    No natural cures for H1N1 have been proven to work as yet. If they are proven and safe then by all means take them if necessary, but until PROVEN stay away.
    There are natural practitioners coming out of the woodwork with remedies and ‘cures’, that have not been proven. The most abhorrent claim thus far is that homeopathy can cure/protect against H1N1. Homeopathy cures are plain water. Taking one of these cures will do NOTHING. It is only a matter of time until people die thinking that they have protection.
    Tamiflu has been proven to be effective against symptoms of Swine Flu. Minerva supplies medical reviews which describe some side effects of the drug. These may or may not be the case, but the drug works, and natural remedies don’t. I’d rather be alive with side effects than dead.
    In a life or death situation use REAL SCIENCE.
    SRH – I am not at all disregarding alternative treatments. If they are proven to work then by all means use them. If they are unproven (and I’m talking about medical tests, not what your family member reckons) then using them instead of real treatments may result in death.
    Henny – “This flu is not “deadly”. It’s only killed the
    weakest and sickest people”
    You are 100% wrong.
    The most fatalities have been in healthy 20-40 year olds, which is why infectious disease doctors are worried about it.
    “12 of the dead were between 21 and 40 — unusual ages for people to die of the flu because they tend to have stronger immune systems.”
    Others killed have been 9, 12 and 13, plus four people over 60.…
    I am not trying to fear monger. The truth is that no one knows what is going to happen yet. The H1N1 virus could be gone in 2 weeks or it could spread out of control and wipe out millions of people. No we shouldn’t panic, but we should be careful and should use the best treatments that we have.
    The scientists and doctors don’t know what is going to happen, which means you guys have even less of an idea.
    Stop trying to push ANY treatment which has not been proven because you may end up responsible for someone’s death.

  5. There are many antivirals that can replace Tamiflu.
    My favorite is Nucleotides. There has been a lot of research on them in Europe and I’ve used them in my own practice. I’ve seen severe viral flu cases get resolved in a couple of days on this stuff. It’s one product I’ve seen work over a dozen times in my clients.…
    Also, stablized ALLICIN, the active ingredient in garlic, has been extensively tested in university studies, etc. It’s an excellent flu virus fighter, and has out performed antibiotics many times for bacterial infections as well. This has been extensively tested and shown to be a very potent anti infective.……
    “This peer reviewed, medically published paper showed that repeat infections were much less likely in the allicin group than in the placebo group.
    This widely publish study was the gold standard and was the first to prove garlic’s effectiveness at curing and preventing the common cold.
    My Colleague, Dr. Ron Cutler, the principal clinical microbiologist at the University of East London, was impressed with the findings and, in 2009, wanted to test stabilized allicin in liquid and powder form in the lab against MRSA.”…
    Reishi is another anti viral that has been extensively tested. The Japanese govt. even considers it an official cancer remedy. When people tell you misinformation about natural medicine not being proven, they are ignoring endless research studies on this stuff.

  6. These are home remedies for the flu from the site
    and the URL for the article on the home remedies is: here’s a part of the article listing natural antivirals and foods to avoid. Folk Medicines and Herbs to use and avoid with Bird Flu
    Below is a list of foods that are said to contain substances that are natural
    antivirals, immune boosters or they decrease cytokines TNF-a and IL-6.
    Alternative medications that are most likely to help us during a severe
    Garlic (allicin) – Very effective antiviral. Best if fresh (raw) and crushed.
    Must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. Dosage is initially 2 to 3 cloves
    per day but later reduce until no body odour occurs. No toxic effects noted.
    (Pubmed PMID 9049657)
    Vitamin C – Boosts the immune system and is an antiviral by blocking the
    enzyme neurominadase. Viruses need neurominadase to reproduce. There are
    anecdotal stories of people taking large amounts of Vitamin C (children ½)
    surviving the Spanish Flu. Research shows that it may reduce the production of
    cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. A study on 470 people involved giving the test group
    1000 mg hourly for 6 hours and then 1000 mg 3 times daily after reporting flu
    symptoms. Symptoms decreased by 85%. (Pubmed PMID 10543583, 634178, 16169205,
    Green Tea (possible Tamiflu/Relenza alternative)- Very effective antiviral.
    Also decreases the production of the cytokine (catechins) TNF-a. Inhibits
    neurominidase. May have antiviral activity that is equal to other antivirals
    such as Tamiflu. (Pubmed PMID 16137775)
    St Johns Wort (Hypericum) – Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the
    production of the cytokine IL-6. Hypericum is an extract from St John’s Wort.
    There have been some very successful field trials in commercial flocks
    infected with H5N1 in Vietnam. (Pubmed PMID 7857513, 11518071, 11362353,
    7857513, 11518071)
    Vitamin E – Immune booster. Also decreases the production of the cytokine
    TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 155882360, 10929076) Experiments involved using mice. Very
    suitable for immune compromised people, especially the elderly. Effects
    enhanced when taken with Vitamin C.
    Apple Juice – Antiviral. Fresh apple juice including the pulp and skin has
    greater antiviral activity than heated commercial apple juice. More research
    is needed. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 32832, 12452634)
    Resveratrol – Antiviral. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol
    also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. This is a proven
    antiviral found naturally in red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood
    root (richest source), raisins and red grapes. Resveratrol supplements are
    relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid
    form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID
    1583880, 12817628, 15985724)
    Scuttellaria (Skullcap) – Antiviral. A herb used as a tea. It has no side
    effects and is also a mild tranquillizer. Research suggests neurominidase,
    which is a substance needed by the H5N1 virus to reproduce, may be inhibited.
    Cranberry Juice – Early research shows that it may be an antiviral, making
    viruses less able to invade or multiply. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown.
    (Pubmed PMID15781126)
    Cat’s Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) – Decreases the production of the cytokine
    TNF-a. Also boosts immune system. The number of white blood cells was
    significantly increased during treatment. No toxicity was noted.
    (… Active
    constituents can be found in the leaves, bark, vine, and roots. Water
    extraction from bark used. Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a
    potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells. (cancers,
    fetuses, growing children)
    Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) – Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a.
    This is the yellow compound in turmeric spice. Research shows that this may be
    very good for preventing a cytokine storm although this is not proven. Must be
    taken with food or gastritis or peptic ulcers may occur. Pregnant women and
    feeding mothers should avoid this. The medicinal properties of curcurmin
    cannot be utilized when used alone due to rapid metabolism in the liver and
    intestinal wall. When combined with Piperine found in black pepper the
    absorption is increased with no adverse effects. Obtainable from health stores
    in tablets, liquid, capsules already combined with piperine. Dosage is 500mg
    to 4000mg daily.
    Astragalus root (Astragali Radix) – Boosts immune system. (Pubmed
    Tea tree Steam Inhalation – Reduces the cytokine TNF-a. Add 2 drops of tea
    tree oil in a bowl of steaming water. Cover head with a towel and inhale for 5
    to 10 minutes. Relieves congestion and fights infection. Its effectiveness is
    unknown. (Pubmed PMID 11131302)
    The following substances may be best to

  7. “Alternative Medicine” is a name for treatments that have not been proven to work, or have been proven NOT to work.
    You know what they call medicine that has been proven to work?
    If you want answers with evidence and proof, don’t ask here. Ask your doctor.

  8. the idea that “nature knows best” is really unsupported by evidence, keep in mind that things like swine flu ARE products of nature, so is poison ivy along with several other toxic plants and animals, not to mention naturally occurring toxic compounds. natural cure’s market is dominated by what is essentially scams, products that aren’t legally required to back up the claims they make, and seldom actually try to back them up anyways. trust me by taking or offering “natural cures” as a replacement for tamiflu you might vary well be harming the general population by convincing someone that they are better when they are not, thus causing them to act as if they aren’t carrying a virus, and doing things that might cause the infection of others.

  9. You’ve gotten some good answers from those who aren’t obviously here to bash alternatives to Tamiflu – which I also wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole. Your question is a good one though; especially with all the hype from the media about how we are all going to die from what isn’t even swine flu bu H1N1 virus.
    I didn’t see one very important note through all the real answers though – REDUCE SUGAR INTAKE to protect from any flu or cold virus. Sugar is a natural immune suppressant. Most flu outbreaks I have seen have been directly linked to a “sugar holiday” like Halloween or Easter. You know, those days when sense flies out the window and parents and children alike forget all self-control and binge on three bags of MnM’s, four bags of Oreos and six can’s of soda. Cut back all refined sugars, do not replace with artificial sweeteners as they are just as bad, and stay healthy.
    You can also avoid buffets where parents love to let their double dipping disease carriers handle someone else’s food and transmit disease too.
    Just keep your hands clean, keep away from the sugar and exposure, and enjoy not falling prey to the latest black death hype. You’ll be fine.

  10. Real Life: You need to check your facts- If the swine flu strain is so very different from the regular virus, how come they are treating swine flu outbreaks SUCCESSFULLY with Tamiflu? Makes people wonder about all the hype. Also, please do not disregard alternative treatments if you do not have first hand knowledge of them. An extended family member has been treated SUCCESSFULLY with natural remedies like Minerva suggested above.

  11. Talk about quackery. Tamiflu is awful stuff, I would never use it.
    I find it funny the fear hype from “Real Life”. This flu is not “deadly”. It’s only killed the weakest and sickest people and only mexicans so far (even that little boy in the US was from Mexico). What a ridiculous fear monger. Yeah, YOU go take some Tamiflu “Real Life” and STFU. I’ll ride this out with garlic over that crap any day.

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